Fire Restrictions - Page 2

wells · #16 05/16/08, 5:37 AM

Its been raining in the white mountains and on the rim, Its not that dry anymore. Its also been cold. Lets see what the foolish service says about camping and fires now.

LadyJ20956 · #17 05/16/08, 6:37 AM

quote:Originally posted by deviousracing

camping with no campfire sucks... what are we going to catch on fire at the cinders, the lava rock?

I agree with mark it's bs their was just 5inches of snow up there,plus they have not even got near 70 degrees yet. It is impossible for anything to be dried out.They should compromise and let us at least have the enclosed pits with a lid on them.

Arizona Griz · #18 05/16/08, 6:56 AM

quote:Originally posted by wells

Its been raining in the white mountains and on the rim, Its not that dry anymore. Its also been cold. Lets see what the foolish service says about camping and fires now.

And when the big fire comes the people are the first to put the blame on someone. :D

Everyone knows this state is still in a drought.

Just because the lakes are full and there was a lot of snow THIS year is not a true factor of the overall conditions. [8D] Our forests always close during the summer and will continue to do so for many years.

Brudahpete · #19 05/16/08, 8:00 AM

Hate to say it Griz....You are wrong, wrong, wrong. The reason for fire danger up here is NOT because it's dry, it's because the foolish service hasn't taken care of their stewardship and allowed proper harvesting and slashing! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where the blame should be laid. I have never seen the forest so mismanaged! If we don't take care of the forest, Nature will. It's a fact of life that only experiencing life in the woods can teach. Sorry man![B)]

BigDog · #20 05/16/08, 8:20 AM

The Phoenix BLM office announced their fire restrictions on May 14:

This letter is to inform you that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has implemented fire restrictions on public lands within Maricopa, Pima, and Pinal counties under protection of the Phoenix District due to increased fire danger. The Phoenix District includes both the Lower Sonoran Field Office and the Hassayampa Field Office. Effective immediately, the following actions will be prohibited until further notice:

1. Building or using a fire, campfire, charcoal broiler or wood stove including in developed camping and picnicking areas. However, the use of propane and petroleum-fueled stoves, lanterns or heating devices is allowed.

2. Smoking, except within an enclosed vehicle or building.

In addition on the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) administered public lands under protection of the Agua Fria National Monument,

3. Discharging a firearm outside of taking game in accordance with Arizona hunting laws.

Earlier this week, I was out at the Boulders with the BLM and Channel 3 news filming a segment on the importance of staying on designated trails and doing what we can to keep our riding areas open. While we were there, a guy in a Jeep pulling a trailer with a quad (it just as easily could have been a dirtbike) stops to talk to the reporter and flips his cigarette out into the desert instead of stubbing it out in his ashtray.

Is it any wonder we have to live with these restrictions? [V]

Brudahpete · #21 05/16/08, 8:42 AM

Yep, it's a special breed of retartedness that seems to reveal itself just when you expect it! But like I was saying, our forests haven't been properly cared for since about the late 1970's. When the MEXICAN spotted owl became more of an endangered species than the ponderosa pines in the Apache-Sitgreaves Forest.[V]

Arizona Griz · #22 05/16/08, 9:06 AM

quote:Originally posted by Brudahpete
The reason for fire danger up here is NOT because it's dry, it's because the foolish service hasn't taken care of their stewardship and allowed proper harvesting and slashing!

How did I know that was coming.

I would prefer to leave the forests unthinned and let mother nature take it's course.

wells · #23 05/16/08, 9:16 AM

wow griz, one has to wonder which side your on. I worked for your beloved forest service during the rodeo chediski fire cutting down trees for backburn and other chainsaw related activities. I watched how these morons work first hand and its not pretty. I have lots of stories that would make your skin crawl about how they dealt with the forest. I spare you the reading cause my instinct tells me that you dont realy care about freedom and why we fight for our rights.

Brudahpete · #24 05/16/08, 9:17 AM

Griz, I guess you prefer closures and to leave moonscapes for generations of future people to look at! You are sadly misinformed and quite a flat lander sir. Do us a favor and stick to your desert and leave the woods to those who really give a rat's a-- about them.

Arizona Griz · #25 05/16/08, 9:33 AM

Say what you will but we are not going to be able to do as we like, period. I do prefer the forests left alone. It is not a pretty site traveling along the highway and seeing the large areas between the trees. Yes, if the area is not thinned and the fires come, we know they will, all is left is a bone pile of logs. I don't have answer to all the problems but I believe there is a propery method to attack them. Not everyone is going to be happy with the outcome saddly to say.

I remember back in the '60's and '70's when you could go ride, camp, hunt, etc. where ever you liked but those days are gone and they will never come back. Just look how many people have moved up to the forests. Maybe the forests are managed incorrectly, I am not an expert in the subject nor am I directly effected as the people who live in or near them but there is a right and wrong way to approach it.

BTW guys, you got me all wrong.

wells · #26 05/16/08, 9:38 AM

Problem is that the people who arent directly effected by living up here are the ones telling us what to do.

Brudahpete · #27 05/16/08, 9:53 AM

quote:Originally posted by wells

Problem is that the people who arent directly effected by living up here are the ones telling us what to do.

Here, here!

Hobberdog · #28 05/16/08, 11:55 AM

How did I know that was coming.

I would prefer to leave the forests unthinned and let mother nature take it's course.

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You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! I would prefer that we don't have a major fire every 10 years. That is how nature thins the trees. It would be much better to use the trees for things like toilet paper and houses.

Hobberdog · #29 05/16/08, 12:01 PM

Drive past Pinetop into the Apache reservation and look at the forest there. It is beautiful. Why? Because they thin it regularly. The trees are larger, straighter and spaced better to produce better crop. Better than nature alone. We are stewards of the earth and need to properly tend it to get the best results. The problem is that there are a bunch of California libs that moved to Arizona. They screwed up their state, moved to ours and are now trying to screw up our state.

ex400 · #30 05/16/08, 12:51 PM

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Drive past Pinetop into the Apache reservation and look at the forest there. It is beautiful. Why? Because they thin it regularly. The trees are larger, straighter and spaced better to produce better crop. Better than nature alone. We are stewards of the earth and need to properly tend it to get the best results
Now that is a reasonable and probably factual statement,I say probably because I am not a forrester and don't know for sure but it sure seem's reasonable. I believe that the forest's need to be thinned of some of the younger grow,drive down past black canyon lake and you can see why that fire got so out of control,you cannot even walk through some of that sruff it is so thick. If we let these firs do the thinning our kids wont have much of a forest to enjoy.